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Greece warned Macedonia about a poster appearing in the capital Skopje that advertises a private art exhibition with a Greek flag and a swastika replacing the cross saying that it may ruin their chances to join NATO.
Before the poster issue, Greece has already threatened to refuse Macedonia’s NATO bid is the dispute about the name “Macedonia” is not yet resolved.
The Macedonian government has expressed their apologies about the poster, after the official diplomatic complain from Greece.
The Greek ambassador Alexandros Mallias complained to Washington in a letter to President George Bush, Jewish organizations in the United States and the Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice about the poster saying:
“The picture of the Greek flag defaced by the Nazi swastika replacing the cross is deeply offensive and insulting to the patriots and heroes, Greeks and Americans alike, who gave their lives fighting Nazism and Fascism during World War II.”
“The poster was the product of an aggressive and hostile propaganda that the Skopje government has been propagating in Greece. Can you imagine a country aspiring to become a NATO member in less than 48 hours, but tolerating such propaganda?,” said Mallias in an interview with the Associated Press.
NATO is set to decide on the Macedonia membership bid at the summer in Bucharest on Thursday.
If Macedonia and Greece fail to resolve the dispute over the former “Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia” name, Greece would veto membership. Greece argues that using “Macedonia” today would imply territorial claims that adjoined Greek province of the same name, but Skopje rejects Greece’s case.
The Macedonian government has disassociated itself from the controversial poster, but explained it would not interfere with freedom of expression.
Well, Greece certainly deserved that, by asking a sovereign neighbor country to change its name, to change the name of the nation, the name of the language and the culture. At the same time it is a country with documented supression of human rights (State Department, European Commision, UN, etc) and a state that does not allow an entry to more than 100 000 of their expelled citizen, unless that they prove that they are GENETICALLY GREEK. It is a state where the Church has a major say in its national and foreing policy, just like Avganistan. No wonder some artist expressed itself as he did. By the way, on the flag beside the swastika, there was a picture of the family of the artist who was ethnically clensed by Greece in the 1950s. The property of these people has been taken by the Greek government and they are not allowed to enter Greece anymore.
If Greece from tomorrow changes the name from “Hellenic Republic” to “European Republic”, this will be accepted from other European countries?
And if in the same time Greece starts to profess in Greek schools, universities and different other centres that the rest “Europe” was occupied by force from the other countries? Or to publish maps of “United Europe” and starts declares that the real Greek language is “European Language”.
Any logical person can understand that something happens here.
Why this country remembered on 1944 that they should change their name from “Vardarska” to “Macedonia”? Or this brings to light a plan?
Who was “Tito” and what was his relation with “Stalin”?
If I will claim that I am Onassis child this means I am Onassis child? I should receive or use Onassi’s heritage and legacy?
Vardarska or Skopje reserves to enter in EU & in NATO but not with that name.
I do not want to inflict my thoughts or my opinion to you but only make you consider that there is also another side and you are logical persons to think and choose.
well there is a nation that calls itself “Americans” although technically people of Canada and Mexico are citizen of American continent. Anyone has a problem with that? Also there is a country called “Romania” and we all know who the Romans were. Is Italy freaking out? There is a country called Luxemboug and a Belgian privince called Luxembourg and they have fought a 80 years war over that land. Anyone freaks out?
Just please go on with your Nazzi rethorics about the Macedonian Nation and culture , the more you write the more world will see how crazy your arguments are.
By the way, since you are so sensitive on “your exlusive” Alexander the Macedonian heritage, you should be honored to have the Swastika on your flag. The Swastika was Macedonian symbol used by Alexander and Philip - symbol of power and luck. Hitler stole it in hope that he will restore the Alexander empire. So please have it on your flag , don’t let others to use “your” heritage.
FYROM has nothing to do with the historical Macedonia, of which a less than 10 percent belongs to that country. I don’t expect people with no historical background to understand why the Greeks are so mad about that issue. It is a clear steal of history for their own domestic purposes.
FYROM History: Under construction
Skopje own version of history is pretty much informed by the Nazi mentality on historicity, so this it isn’t a surprise.
FOR THOSE THAT SEEK A NAME FOR ” F. Y. R. of MACEDONIA “.
THE NAME OF THE AREA BEFORE WORLD WAR II WAS VARDARSKA.
THE NAME MACEDONIA WAS GIVEN TO THEM BY THEIR LEADER JOSEF BROSTEIN ( KNOWN AS TITO).
The name Macedonia -unlike Vardarska, however , comes with great PR for tourism and false historical/cultural pride for the masses!!! this is JUST SILLY! how would we feel if the southern Canadians decided to rename themselves Former Canadian Republic of USA ?
yes but nor USA nor Romania teach that they OWN territories in Mexico/Canada and Italy respectively. when “Macedonia” claims territories of a neighbour country off the record, while on the record pretends to be friendly and wants to join several organisations as an equal, that’s a two-faced game that noone would tolerate. if you want the greek province have your prime minister say it in the NATO conference if he has the guts. not mention it only in primary school gatherings
I WOULD LIKE TO INFORM MADAM PAIDOUSSU THAT BEFORE II WORLD WAR THE NAME OF MY COUNTRY WAS MACEDONIA. OH, YES SOME OF MY RELATIVES ARE INDEEED FROM VARDARSKA MACEDONIA, BUT SOME OF MY RELATIVES WERE BORN IN EGEYSKA MACEDONIA AND THEY WERE DRIVEN AWAY FROM THEIR HOMELAND BY “THE VERY DEMOCRATIC GREEKS”. THEY STILL CANNOT EVEN VISIT THE HOMES OF THEIR ANCHESTORS BECAUSE ACCORDING TO DEMOCRATIC GREEKS POLICY IN ORDER TO RETURN THEY SHOULD CALL THEMSELVES GREEKS.WHAT ABOUT THAT PART OF THE HISTORY MADAM PAIDOUSSU- HAVE YOU LEARNT THAT PART? WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE GREECE IS THE ONLY EUROPEAN COUNTRY THAT DOES NOT RECOGNIZE MINORITIES - AMONG THEM SOME ARE ALSO MY RELATIVES - MACEDONIAN SLAVS.
Whatever Slavs leaved in Macedonia at some point in history were conquerers that showed up, over one thousand years after the prime of the real macedonians and stole the land to begin with from its inhabitants for thousands of years : the greek talking, greek acting, greek named, GREEK MACEDONIANS, who self proclaimed themselves as greek (look @ Alexander I, and Alexander the Great’s speaches sited by historians of the era, and who took place at the Olympic Games-something only greeks were admited as compatitors. I do not see the logic of your claim to our land. Just the fact that you manage to take it for a while does not give you rights to it. More so, if taking something in your logic gives you rights to it, well, we took it back so by your logic we also have the added claim of ownership-as questionable as I might thing that it is- the only claim of ownership that you can come up for yourselves….
You will never join EU with this name get used to it…sorry if it hurts
dear gordana- if we are to talk about other wrongs of countries…..we would have to start first and foremost with MY country- the USA- which has a history of messing up other countries ‘legally’ and illegally. do not be short-sighted about this very specific issue. the whole balkan area in modern history was an opportunity for many to exploit the people and the location……………………………………making the name “macedonia” unfortunately was( TITO) /is (NOW) just another way.
And what about greek history? when did Greece exist? what is you DNA but ottoman after so many years under that empire? why don´t you claim all the hellenic colonies you had? or Rome their ones? Come on, live and let others live, and if you are scared, maybe it is because you forced people in your Macedonia to change their language and their traditions? did not you do a “ethnic cleansing”?
Are these people CRaZy!!! Like we didn’t get ENOUGH of her on Regis? AND you’re lead in was taliking about HER kids AGAIN!! INSANITY PREVAILS!!!
dear Thanos (tanatos).i do understand that you, people from athens, sparta and theba,claim that you are greeks, but please do understand that your country, as it has been since 1912 (remember when did you gain territory that you used to call it northern greece until 1990, after you changed the name in MACEDONIA), has been under many influences in the past. you - that callyourselves greeks, are nothing else but geeks, because as i understand you are former ottoman province and the turkish blood runs in to your venues, as it runs in MY, but it is good for comercial use, huh, to say that macedonias are greeks….sorry, that is NAZZI, FASCIST ideology, the ideology that you use against all minorities in the country that u call it greece (no capital letter i purpose-just because u do not deserve it…) JUST GO ON!!!! u are democratic society……how about u change your name, and lets say that u are eastern stupid shitheads!!!!!!!!!russian dominated!!!!
and for the last time: congratulations on VETOING America! u will recieve invitation hahahahahahahahaha
By referring a whole Nation (Greeks) as Nazis is nazistic - fanatistic - fascistic - blasphemistic.Neither in your country are all stupids or nazists. Also in Greece lives bad persons as in your country, noone has primacy in good or bad.
Your referrings sounds nazistic because you are trying to persuade all the others your right without to listen others opinion.
Beeing blasphemous in your words shows your blasphemic character and your paideia (education) also. and this is negative of what you want express.
Showing hate, you will receive hate.
I do not want to persuade you that we are that our ancestors was the real Macedonians but i want to inform you that as we are your neighbours and you are our neighbours, then we should find points that connect us and leave in peace together.
As for the matter of who’s ancestors was the Macedonians. we can open this subject with good will from both parts with stoichia (evidence) for to see together what is correct and what not. I believe that there are things that I know may be faulsed and the same exists on you too.
As for USA, please notice that they do not care about history or justice and they take your side cause of other plans they have. Easily they will take other country in their side if they will realize that they will have more benefits.
I don’t care what you are: greeks, today greek republic of macedonia and you have right to be what ever you like. The problem with you is that you have taken right to teach the others what they are. Greeks are not macedonians due fact they are not acting as macedonians, they are acting as greeks. So why you are going back only for 100 years or 3000 years, go more back to Volvoxes … Up to you is to decide what you are, but if you act as nazional fanatics …
I have no idea how you are allowing the lezbians to hold their name which is name of a greek island more than 3000 (sorry maybe more or less) years. Have a nice national hystery …